Tuesday, January 26, 2010

On Earth as it is in Heaven


At what point will humanity realize that science and technological advancement is more important than money? We complain about the environment, we complain about poverty, we complain about hunger, and we cry into the aether that something should be done to help all people of the world, but with a significant divergence from logic, we always go back to cost, money and financing as a bullshit reason for NOT doing the right thing.

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe, just maybe, we now live in a world that is so drastically different than anything in the past, that we cannot possibly use outdated forms of economic controls or reasoning?

For anyone who is religious, I have a question: do you think God cares more about money, or doing the right thing? Is the Almighty hamstrung by finances in Heaven? Do banks, investors and politicians dictate the ongoing operations of the hereafter? At what point did our wallets become more important than our humanity, ESPECIALLY in a world where the human mind and ingenuity has developed technology and systems that can provide a high standard of living for all? Is it not part of the Lord's Prayer to make the Earth as it is in Heaven? WHY ARE WE NOT REALLY TRYING TO DO THAT!!!

This article on Space.com reflects just one more instance of the same nonsense. People like Obama, Bush, and so many others blow smoke up our asses on a regular basis about how they love science, engineering and technology, then when the rubber meets the road, they never deliver what is actually needed. Why? Money. It's ALWAYS money that screws up the advancement of humanity more than it helps us. We're willing to dump hundreds of billions of dollars prolonging wars against elusive and invisible foes, in countries that don't really give a damn about really defeating them, but we're not willing to slightly boost funding for something that ends up being a significant boon to humanity for generations? Really?!

The United States of America is going to fall behind other nations when it comes to space exploration and development, because we are more concerned with social programs, saving banks, and propping up idiotic car companies than we are about driving down a path of advancement, abundance, global cooperation and true freedom. Sounds good, doesn't it?


William Durocher said...

So you think that money is the root of all evil? Have you ever asked what is the root of money? Money is a tool of exchange, which can't exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them. Money is the material shape of the principle that men who wish to deal with one another must deal by trade and give value for value. Money is not the tool of the moochers, who claim your product by tears, or of the looters, who take it from you by force. Money is made possible only by the men who produce. Is this what you consider evil?

"When you accept money in payment for your effort, you do so only on the conviction that you will exchange it for the product of the effort of others. It is not the moochers or the looters who give value to money. Not an ocean of tears not all the guns in the world can transform those pieces of paper in your wallet into the bread you will need to survive tomorrow. Those pieces of paper, which should have been gold, are a token of honor--your claim upon the energy of the men who produce. Your wallet is your statement of hope that somewhere in the world around you there are men who will not default on that moral principle which is the root of money, Is this what you consider evil?

William Durocher said...

"Have you ever looked for the root of production? Take a look at an electric generator and dare tell yourself that it was created by the muscular effort of unthinking brutes. Try to grow a seed of wheat without the knowledge left to you by men who had to discover it for the first time. Try to obtain your food by means of nothing but physical motions--and you'll learn that man's mind is the root of all the goods produced and of all the wealth that has ever existed on earth.

"But you say that money is made by the strong at the expense of the weak? What strength do you mean? It is not the strength of guns or muscles. Wealth is the product of man's capacity to think. Then is money made by the man who invents a motor at the expense of those who did not invent it? Is money made by the intelligent at the expense of the fools? By the able at the expense of the incompetent? By the ambitious at the expense of the lazy? Money is made--before it can be looted or mooched--made by the effort of every honest man, each to the extent of his ability. An honest man is one who knows that he can't consume more than he has produced.'

"To trade by means of money is the code of the men of good will. Money rests on the axiom that every man is the owner of his mind and his effort. Money allows no power to prescribe the value of your effort except the voluntary choice of the man who is willing to trade you his effort in return. Money permits you to obtain for your goods and your labor that which they are worth to the men who buy them, but no more. Money permits no deals except those to mutual benefit by the unforced judgment of the traders. Money demands of you the recognition that men must work for their own benefit, not for their own injury, for their gain, not their loss--the recognition that they are not beasts of burden, born to carry the weight of your misery--that you must offer them values, not wounds--that the common bond among men is not the exchange of suffering, but the exchange of goods. Money demands that you sell, not your weakness to men's stupidity, but your talent to their reason; it demands that you buy, not the shoddiest they offer, but the best that your money can find. And when men live by trade--with reason, not force, as their final arbiter--it is the best product that wins, the best performance, the man of best judgment and highest ability--and the degree of a man's productiveness is the degree of his reward. This is the code of existence whose tool and symbol is money. Is this what you consider evil?

"But money is only a tool. It will take you wherever you wish, but it will not replace you as the driver. It will give you the means for the satisfaction of your desires, but it will not provide you with desires. Money is the scourge of the men who attempt to reverse the law of causality--the men who seek to replace the mind by seizing the products of the mind.

Anonymous said...


Emory Stagmer said...

You (AND Ayn Rand) got the quote wrong William.

The LOVE of money is the root of all evil.

Douglas Mallette said...

William - Very nice, pulling the Atlas Shrugged 'copy and paste method' of conversation, but here's one major and undeniable point to make that completely destroys everything said in that whole speech:

The assumption is that men are the producers.

The technology of 1957, when that was written, is absolutely NOTHING like what we have today, and what we have today would have been science-fiction fairy tales in 1957. To assume something written 43 years ago holds validity today is ludicrous, not only for its out of context and out of place message, but also because the world is growing exponentially in technical capabilities while simultaneously growing exponentially in debt. That is no coincidence.

Absolutely nothing on economics said before 1980 has any validity today for the simple reason that conditions today are so drastically different than ever imagined then, period. And even comments during the 80's hold little water relative to today. That's the crux of exponential change, significant separation between data points.

Now this statement alone is total crap: "Try to obtain your food by means of nothing but physical motions--and you'll learn that man's mind is the root of all the goods produced and of all the wealth that has ever existed on earth."

Man may have done the mental work in short time to produce the technology necessary to affect mass production, and built the machines to do the work (once), but that is where man's involvement stops, since the mass production process now requires little to no human involvement and can run 24/7/365 without pause. Man cannot. In an economic system BASED on human labor, the better the systems get, the more destructive it is to the workforce. We can produce surplus, but at the expense of human labor, and THAT is why the system fails.

For example, we have the capability to create fully robotic, automated, solar powered hydroponic and standard farms with absolutely NO human toil required for production. Robotics and automation can also do packaging, distribution, and stocking. Not one single human needs to be involved in the whole process, and the whole process can produce vast amounts of product to fill the need of every person, but this wonderful capability for the betterment of all is detrimental to a Monetary System that requires human labor to be justified. And when Agro-business is a billion dollar a year industry, what person would sacrifice their fat wallets for the betterment of mankind? None, else it would have already been done.

Money is also a tool for bribes, crime, manipulation and force. Any denial of this is pure idiocy. Money is a tool of those who 'have' to maintain control over those who 'have not'. Point of fact, a hammer is also a tool, but can just as easily be a weapon. In today's world, money is more of a weapon than a tool, and the growing gap between the have's and the have not's is indicative of a broken system, no matter how often we prop it up. It served its purpose, but it's time to move on.

Norman Copeland said...

As per usual an utterly compelling conversation of which one could subtract, detract, but, I wish as per usaul to attract...

And that is why I need music to do it...

In this world we debate, I believe as Douglas has said that enevitably we will move on, so, why not now?

Because of a devious hidden agenda?

I'm not sure, but, in music and in sport, money does not rule...

I would love to see our race evolve with this tapestry, Goerge Orwell named the ministries...

Anyway, if you want the musical version I reside at www.spacetravel21stcentury.blogspot.com/

[when I'm not debating with Douglas 'thespaceadvocate']

Douglas Mallette said...

Norman - Not so keen on the Orwellian divisions, as we are all a singular people, one human race undivided by nature, just divided by man.

Reject man made divisions and accept what nature intended; one human race, the Earth as home, its bounty to be shared by all. :)

Marcel F. Williams said...

But the irony is that so far our investment in space has made us a lot richer. There would be no CNN, HBO, TNT, or cable TV or DIRECT TV without space technology. There would be no multimillionaire athletes without space technology. Thanks to satellite technology, I can watch or listen to every baseball game in the country right from my computer.

And man space flight will be even more lucrative in the long run-- especially if the space tourism industry really gets going. Someday, lunar colonist may dominated the satellite manufacturing and launch industry. And maybe a century from now, we may begin manufacturing our own solar orbiting rotating worlds with Earth-like interiors.

There's a reason why children and adults are so fascinated by Avatar, and Star Wars, and Star Trek! The fact that most of these former lawyers in Congress don't understand this is very sad for our country. They're trying to take away our children's dreams while also ensuring that our kids will be a lot poorer in the future! What a shame!

windbourne said...

you have it wrong.
Now, is money the REAL issue? Nope.
Look, up until recently, we DID have enough money to do many large ticket items. The problem is that starting in 1980, our gov decided to not do many large ticket items. That is the legacy of reagan (and W). They chose to give back a lot more to the wealthy.

But it got worse. Politics entered into choices. reagan killed our move to AE, as well as much of our civilian RD programs (I know; I was doing RD back then).
Poppa Bush actually did the right thing and tried to restore our science funding. But, when Clinton came in, he was worried about the economy and the deficit. His focus really was about those. As such, he killed the super collider. Later in politics, he allowed Kerry to kill the IFR (horrible mistake).
OTH, he continued the Space station and used it to improve our situation with Russia.Likewise, he started X-33. All Good.
But when W came in, he had it killed (bad).
Then started a new program to replace it, but without the funding. Now, did we have the money back then? Yup. Absolutely. He chose to give large tax cuts to his buddies, while increasing spending in other areas. Worse, when the economy was OK, he chose to still ignore the deficit and ran .5T/year, except for the last where he ran 1Trillion.
Right now, our debt(12T) is approaching our GDP (14 T). Does America have the money for this? Not directly.
So, you have to ask, how to accomplish this?

The easy answer is to get somebody else to fund it. We could have China do it. They have trillions of our dollars. OTH, that will simply go to their military. That would be a REAL BAD IDEA.

So, is there another way? Yup. Get private enterprise to do, with our help. America NEEDS the launchers, space stations, etc. The west (actually world) NEEDS to get off this planet. The private enterprise will be happy to do it. The hard part is making money on it to keep going.
So, how do we get that to happen?
Simple. Give the multiple LVs another destination to go to. That is the BA private station. If we get them started NOW, then in 2012, they will start assembling their private space station. We get them started by buying Sundancer and BA-330 from them and adding to the ISS. That little bit will start the production line. And SpaceX and UAL will be capable of launching cargo.
The other main item to get up there is a tug/fuel depot.
Basically, if America spends a BIT of money (as in 1-2 Billion / year for 3 years, we can pick up enough slack for these companies to get them going.
After that, they will do the job themselves. Once they are profitable in LEO, they will push for the moon. The reason is that it is MUCH cheaper and safer to inhabit than space is. In addition, it has the possibility of making money via mining, building solar cells, building and selling large telescopes, etc.

Anonymous said...

We live in Amerika now. Land of the sheep, home of the slave.

The powers that really run things can't make the earth as it is in Heaven because they are in reality satan worshippers.

Google Bohemian Grove and see what our so called leaders do every summer.

Capt Synapse said...

I wanted to be an astronaut when I was kid. lots of did. But it never worked out that way. It, sadly, never will. We are a historical accident borne through chemistry and physics. If we can reach for the stars, then all the better. Yet our feet are closer to the ground than our head is to the sky. Perhaps we should bear that in mind before lamenting the loss of a concerted space program.

Douglas Mallette said...

windbourne - You're kind of making my point for me. Money has been ill used for a while, or hoarded and shifted between the 'good old boys' network. And now it's getting to the point that it's so inflated and in we're in such debt, that the system cannot support itself.

Also, your comments, although accurate, offer a very narrow view of the overall big picture. I'm not talking just about space here. In many cases, private enterprise is the problem, when companies purposefully punch out shoddy products for the only reason of padding their bottom line, or when they ship jobs to countries with ultra cheap labor, where those workers live at or below the poverty line, while the company once again maximizes profit. There is a serious distortion of values, humanitarian values, versus the values of money. I for one am getting seriously sick of it.

For example, none of us should have to buy food, ever. There is no need to buy something that is so easily produced at high quality and production levels. We have the technology to 'feed the world', literally, but the Agro-industry absolutely does NOT want to find a new job to do. They're content (as are governments) with regulating output to maintain a cost structure, even while people are starving. All for the pursuit of money.

Back to space: Imagine how much space exploration we'd have already done were it not for budgets. How many amazing programs have been canceled or delayed significantly due to money? If we just did things because they were the right thing to do, we'd all be better off.

Douglas Mallette said...

Anon - Bohemian Grove? Going out on a limb a bit there, no? Satan worshipers? lmao. If you're going to say stuff like that, might as well identify yourself instead of hiding behind the mask of Anonymous.